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  1. Posted September 6, 2011 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    I think I need a stiff shot of whisky after that post Bob, and I think you must have had one before you clicked the “publish” button.

    “Be militant about your rights. Your images are YOUR work and you are granting agencies the right to sell them for their cut of the income.” Absolutely, as the copyright owners, there is absolutely no harm in questioning these things and no excuses for agencies to shirk questions asked. IF the agencies are removing or not protecting the metadata, the “simple business” reason probably comes to mind for a lot of contributors. That would make perfect business sense, those who buy from us are anonymous, and to make sure there is no possibility of a circle, we are anonymous too. Which is all well and well, but not if the DMCA stipulates that it’s not. Anyway, if it is happening who knows the reasons for it, clarification really needs to come from the agencies, as we can only speculate if we don’t hear from them. Time for another drink :)

  2. Posted September 7, 2011 at 5:10 am | Permalink

    Hi Bob long read…We were already thinking about this issue for a long time. You really got deep in the matter, thanks for that. I think that agencies should not only let all “embedded” ownership/copyright untouched but also always mention the name of the copyright holder as a credit line…also after distribution ;( Very good post…stuff to talk about in Berlin for sure!

  3. Posted September 7, 2011 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    Hi Bob!

    Thank you for taking the time with this! Your work and research is appreciated. I do, however, think you have a point about the removal/lack of preserving copyright metadata. Unfortunately we will only see the full effect of it many years from now when the images are spread wider and orphanworks issues start to crop up.

    An issue you haven’t mentioned is why would any agency remove copyright information deliberately. My first thought on the matter was that it would allow buyers to find and contact you directly for images, cutting out the ‘middleman’ but again, maybe I am too pessimistic.

    Either way, Thankyou for taking the time to pull this all together!

  4. Ryan Jorgensen
    Posted September 16, 2011 at 7:28 am | Permalink

    I must say after reading this post I feel disappointed (to say the least) with the policies employed by a couple of the microstock agencies listed above.

    I’ve included IPTC copyright data in every image distributed to stock since I started out in 2006, with the complete trust this information will end up unmodified on the end users computer.

    Photography to me is an art-form and to loose a credit after spending (sometimes) days on a image is just gutting. Almost akin to scratching the signature off a painting being sold in a gallery.

    Legal jargon aside, i believe all agencies have a moral responsibility to keep copyright metadata intact, for the sake of the author who (in many cases) have put their heart and soul into its creation. regardless of search speeds or ‘other’ agendas.

  5. Lori
    Posted September 17, 2011 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    I am so glad I found your post! As a newbie to (micro)stock photography, I will be refocusing my efforts towards those agencies that demonstrate responsible policies that reflect photographer’s/contributors’ rights. Without contributors, what would the agencies have to market?

  6. Posted September 17, 2011 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    Dear Bob
    I don’t know if Istockphoto remove metadata from any images, but for six months now I have made it a standard procedure to completely fill-in the file info section in PSD (CS3) before posting any images. This image,

    http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-17333889-i-love-work.php

    was posted on iSP in August and has a full copyright/Description/Keyword file info section completed. I just downloaded it (Xsmall size = 1 credit) and all the data is there, exactly as the original master JPEG). So, iSP don’t strip file info?

  7. Posted September 18, 2011 at 2:23 am | Permalink

    Thanks for all the digging and work Bob. You’ve done a great job a raising an important issue and opening up a big box of discussion.

  8. Posted October 1, 2011 at 5:32 am | Permalink

    Hmm interesting debate :-)
    Just one small addition to what have been said below and should be translated as:

    The agency doesn’t claim to the author, nor does the agency claim to own the work of art, but merely facilitates its purchase and gives a small percentage of the sale price for its services to the photographer.

    instead of :

    “The agency doesn’t claim to the author, nor does the agency claim to own the work of art, but merely facilitates its purchase and keeps a small percentage of the sale price for its services.”

    No offense her to Stefan what at the moment I still thing have one of the most “fair” agencies but is perfectly valid for iStock for example.

  9. Posted October 2, 2011 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    Well, two points in Dreamstime response are really funny, however it is also a slap into the contributors face:

    1) …agencies take small part of the price… – WTF?! 70-85% is very far beyond “a small part”!

    2) “Dreamstime is not responsible for modifications that occur to Images as part of its automatic posting process.” – HUH??? And who is? Contributors? Do contributors write Dreamstime server scripts or what?!

    Together with PACA response there is one strong message – we (agencies) do not give a damn about your fair share or rights whatsoever. Unless there is serious legal pressure against us, we will continue to push you as much as we please anytime we wish.

    I absolutely agree that the second point in the DMCA is broken by stripping metadata. Because pictures without metadata are much easier to steal and much harder to track. All agencies must be aware of thousands and thousands of pictures downloaded from microstock and available for free download across many download servers. What about tracking clients doing this?

  10. bobbigmac
    Posted October 10, 2011 at 1:31 pm | Permalink
    Edit 10-Oct-11: Dreamstime have just let me know that they have now modified their system to embed copyright metadata in every single purchased image, and are currently in the process of applying the metadata content to thumbnails/previews too. This is really good to see :)
    • Posted October 20, 2011 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

      Yes it is good to see and no doubt it’s a change brought about partly by you publicising it. Well done to Dreamstime also for acting so responsibly. It’s good to remind the agencies sometimes that they hold our photos, I think they forget sometimes. :-)

  11. Posted October 21, 2011 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    Thanks for waking some agencies up. I mentioned that problem before in my blog and I am glad that agencies start to learn that there is no use in removing copyright metadata from their images. Good work!

  12. Posted December 5, 2011 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    Agreed R. Kneschke. We at StockFuel also believe in leaving all of the copyrighted metadata in user-generated content uploads.

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